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 This section explains the logic behind speedrunning the Acid games and approach. This section explains the logic behind speedrunning the Acid games and approach.
  
-Unlike some RPGs where turn order is determined by a speed statistic, Acid uses "cost" to determine turn order. Every card has a cost value, ranging from 0 to 30, and every action has some cost associated with it (discarding cards, doing nothing, punching a character).+Unlike some RPGs where turn order is determined by a speed statistic, Acid uses "cost" to determine turn order. Every card has a cost value, ranging from 0 to 30, and every action has some cost associated with it (discarding cards is 6 cost, doing nothing is 4 cost, punching is 4 cost).
  
 In addition, playable characters will always go first when a stage begins. This means we can avoid enemy characters from performing a turn if our deck is designed well. In addition, playable characters will always go first when a stage begins. This means we can avoid enemy characters from performing a turn if our deck is designed well.
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 There are 2 methods of prohibiting enemies from acting: either keep your cost below theirs, or use Extra Turn cards to continue your actions indefinitely. There are 2 methods of prohibiting enemies from acting: either keep your cost below theirs, or use Extra Turn cards to continue your actions indefinitely.
  
-Reducing cost has its perks, such as a neat trick where if one character reduces cost to 0 in their initial turn, all enemies receive 4 cost. This occurs as long as the enemies do not spot you or an alert occurs. Reducing cost is a safe way to play the game.+Reducing cost has its perks. If one character reduces cost to 0 in their initial turn, all enemies receive 4 cost. This occurs as long as the enemies do not spot you or an alert occurs. Reducing cost is a safe way to play the game.
  
 There are 2 big problems with cost reduction: most of those cards cannot be used for movement, and animation. There are 2 big problems with cost reduction: most of those cards cannot be used for movement, and animation.
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 For the former, any cards that purely reduce cost can only do that. Therefore if you get flooded with cost reducers, you cannot move. This is why a card like ADA+ is so valuable, as it both reduces cost and can be used as movement in a pinch. For the former, any cards that purely reduce cost can only do that. Therefore if you get flooded with cost reducers, you cannot move. This is why a card like ADA+ is so valuable, as it both reduces cost and can be used as movement in a pinch.
  
-For the later, any time you reduce cost, a small animation plays that takes _. In Acid1, cost reduction occurs immediately, making cost reducers very powerful.+For the later, any time you reduce cost, a small animation plays that takes ~3.7 seconds. Reducing 15 cost takes ~3.8 seconds. Reducing 20 cost takes ~4.1 seconds. In Acid1, cost reduction occurs immediately (aside from any special effect time loss), making cost reducers very powerful.
  
-Alternatively, we chain together turns with Extra Turn and Extra Turn+. With a total of 4 cards in a 30 card deck, in theory we can sustain the playable character's actions indefinitely in combination with mulligan cards. However, if the deck has no cost reduction and cannot continue the chain due to error or bad card draw/deck shuffle, the amount of cost may be so high to force a stage reset.+Alternatively, we chain together turns with Extra Turn and Extra Turn+. With a total of 4 cards in a 30 card deck, in theory we can sustain the playable character's actions indefinitely in combination with mulligan cards. However, if the deck has no cost reduction and cannot continue the chain due to error or bad card draw/deck shuffle, the amount of cost may be so high it forces a stage reset.
  
 ==Deck Management== ==Deck Management==
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 Due to randomness from what cards drop during gameplay, the library used by the runner will vary to some degree between runs. Unless you are pulling cards that are static within a library, such as cards at the end or beginning of a list, you can't totally plan the inputs. Smart use of the Category and Cost tabs allow you to grab specific types of cards without searching through the ID tab. Due to randomness from what cards drop during gameplay, the library used by the runner will vary to some degree between runs. Unless you are pulling cards that are static within a library, such as cards at the end or beginning of a list, you can't totally plan the inputs. Smart use of the Category and Cost tabs allow you to grab specific types of cards without searching through the ID tab.
  
-Your goal in changing deck should be to minimize changes as much as possible, especially if changes occur outside of the In Deck tab.+Your goal in changing deck should be to minimize changes as much as possible, especially if changes occur outside of the "In Deck" tab.
  
- +In general, devise your deck to the minimum card amount of 30. The less filler in your deck, the more quickly you can rotate through high value cards. While every card in a deck should be useful, some are categorized as 'useful but not essential.' These are the cards that should be first on the chopping block.
-In general, devise your deck to the minimum card amount of 30. The less filler in your deck, the more quickly you can rotate through high value cards. While every card in a deck should be useful, some are categorized as 'useful but not essential.' +
  
 ====Manipulation Deck up to Harab Serap==== ====Manipulation Deck up to Harab Serap====
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 ====Lean Cost Reduction Deck Strategy (Safe)==== ====Lean Cost Reduction Deck Strategy (Safe)====
  
-This strategy prioritizes safe movement through the stages while still being able to run multiple turns in a row. By including a few cost reduction cards (1/5 of deck), the player can keep cost low while moving along. In Prototype Factory, this deck can be modified to include even more cost reduction for safety purposes. In the situation that your turn ends early, your cost should be low enough that it won't bleed a massive amount of time. +This strategy prioritizes safe movement through the stages while still being able to run multiple turns in a row. By including a few cost reduction cards (1/5 of deck), the player can keep cost low while moving along. The use of ADA+ makes movement cheap, particularly great at the end of a high action turn when ADA+'s cost is low. In the situation that your turn ends early with this deck, your cost should be low enough that it won't bleed a massive amount of time.  
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 +If you are maintaining a 0 cost but do not extra turn, you will switch between the characters. This is most likely in Prototype Factory.
  
 **CARD PRIORITY:** **CARD PRIORITY:**
  
-  -Jonathan Ingram/ADA+  -Jonathan Ingram/Ingram+ 
 +  -ADA+
   -Extra Turn   -Extra Turn
   -Action++/Double Action   -Action++/Double Action
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 ====Infinite Turn Deck Strategy (Snake Fighting)==== ====Infinite Turn Deck Strategy (Snake Fighting)====
-Similar to the movement Infinite move strategy above, but movement cards are removed and replaced with weapon and cost adding cards. Double Action:Cost+ is always included to build cost for Dragon cards. Arsenal Gear cards can be used to accrue cost or deal damage to Golab. FIM stingers are added for the Metal Gear fights. Mr. Sigint is removed to keep the deck lean, as card draw should be avoided.+Similar to the movement Infinite move strategy above, but movement cards are removed and replaced with weapon and cost adding cards. Double Action:Cost+ is always included to build cost for Dragon cards. Arsenal Gear cards can be used to accrue cost, move or deal damage to Golab. FIM stingers are added for the Metal Gear fights. Mr. Sigint is removed to keep the deck lean, as card draw should be avoided.
  
 **CARD PRIORITY:** **CARD PRIORITY:**
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 ^ 485 | **M1A2** | **4** | ^ 485 | **M1A2** | **4** |
 ^ 526 | Action+ Linkage+ | 2 | ^ 526 | Action+ Linkage+ | 2 |
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